Not the best terminal review (will explain in a minute) but sheesh. 2933fps out of 25" bartlein 9 twist. IJS, billmcneese62 If you are an ethical hunter that cares about meat lose then Hammer bullets are the one for you. Took it on and Aoudad hunt along the Texas/Mexico border in December 2021. Robert Coakley ballistic tips. I have a custom .284 win. I have RL-22, IMR 7828 SSC and H4831SC. There is a very comprehensive, up to date list of hammer load data over on the long range hunting site . My nightvis optic just has a standard duplex reticle and I hate "guesstimating" my elevation holds at distance. Thread starter archerynut21; Start date Mar 25, 2021; Mar 25, 2021 #1 . I don't think its significant out to 500, but if you plan to push the outer edges of effective range (hammers are designed to perform down to 1800 fps) then it is certainly something to consider. Very accurate and plenty effective on Scottish red deer. The results were fantastic and load development was a breeze. Bought these to find a deer and elk load that would shoot small groups but still do the job. This was a large framed 8 point white tail buck in the 190 pound class. I have used the DeadBlow version of these on deer in the UK and they work extremely well. Measure the "wound channel depth" using a .270 brass rod. WEIGHT BULLET COL POWDER START CHG VELOCITY MAX CHG VELOCITY 300 HAM'R RELOADING DATA EFFECTIVE SEPT 15, 2020 AND SUPERCEDES ALL PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED DATA 130gr Speer HAM'R HOT-CORE 2.175" Shooters World SOCOM 20.7gr 2150fps 23.0gr 2375fps 130gr Speer HAM'R HOT-CORE 2.175" Accurate 1680 23.6gr 2125fps 26.2gr 2350fps Took a medium size Eastern white tail very recently. Load is 54.4gr of H4350, 2.990" COAL, @ 3300FPS, Trevor Kencsan My friend really likes the vapor trail you see with almost every shot. This spring I started load development for my 25" barreled 280 Ackley Improved. ~100 yard steep quartering away shot and the big boar dropped instantly and quickly began his death moan. Run this bullet 3500 fps in my 6.5 twist 22/6mm dropped a nice mule deer at 450 yds! July 19, 2022. Had 4 exit holes on the opposite side. Gerald DILGARD turned out afterwards with friends range finder shot was at 460 yards . With this new sponsorship, the 7mm 184gr F-Open Hybrid Target Bullet was created. This bullet is a performer! Im using V N120 . Hammer Time is connected to Hammer Bullets and H D Custom Rifles and Ammunition LLC, although the forum is not limited to discussion of these products. Very accurate bullets, and easy to load for (as long as you follow the recommendations for a powder on the faster end for your cartridge). Here is my load data for my Abolt 25-06 with 26" McGowan barrel: Ive got quite a few for you. stubing Double lung and deer was down in 10 yards and dead in 15 seconds. Michael homan Big hollow point? (verified owner) June 13, 2022. Grouped like it had eyes ! Darin Draper I'm a hammer bullet fan for life. It flat hammered my bull 2 steps done When does everyone think is the best time to sell/buy vehicles? I know it seems hot, but the load didn't show pressure issues until 30.5grs. OAL was 2.445 which put the round .025 off the lands in my rifle. Number of Auctions Listed. You wont be disappointed with these bullets. All other powders listed wont even come close to N120 . Looking forward to seeing the performance on game. 270 Win Hammer Bullets load data. I can't wait to finish out this load to maximum velocity's and see what she can do. Getting around 3480FPS in a 24" barrel and just got my first Hammer Bullet deer, a nice North Carolina 8pt at just under 100yards. Shot an oversized cow moose broadside, high lungs. Ranges from 51 yds. (verified owner) November 26, 2022. Loaded a pressure ladder with Varget, backed off a touch, sighted in a went hunting. Auction Information Name: Old Forbes Road Online Auction: Auctioneer: Mishler Auction Service. LeHigh's Maximum Expansion Technology is used to produce projectiles that create the largest wound channels of any bullet you can buy. We found this bullet in the off side against the humorous. Upon purchasing a box of these bullets, I loaded 20 up for hunting and zeroed 2 inches high at a 100 and on Saturday November 19 I harvested 2 whitetail does within a minute of each other. Im a happy camper. Federal case Should bring a lot of opinions. Easiest load development I've ever done. Shot a doe that was bag flop, and a buck that didnt run far into the wood line and was VERY easy to track. I think the reason for caution with the absolutes is that your likely going to be using faster burning powders than normal and that can definitely be dangerous. I highly recommend these bullets on animals of this size. The Barnes shot a little over an inch and Hammers were a little under half an inch. My Savage loves it I'm getting 3270 fps from a 22 inch barrel. December 13, 2021. The bullet couldnt have been going much faster than 1800 fps when it hit, but it did exactly what Hammer said it would do. LeverEvolution turns out to be a great powder for the .300 Savage and .308 with this bullet. Ivan Bourgeois January 4, 2022. Shoulder/neck junction on a steep quartering to shot. May 28, 2020 #4 JLS Well-known member Joined Mar 26, 2012 Messages 17,365 Location We recently took the decision to go lead-free, which I accomplished readily in my moderated Ruger Scout in .308 with a 130gn competitor product travelling at 2936 fps and producing half-MOA groups. George Taylor 14fps, 1.17grp (verified owner) October 23, 2022, Amazing accuracy loaded up some 131HH for Ruger m77 with 1:9.5 twist had Five rounds touching definitely happy. This is kind of a "feel" thing as to how much to back off when you find pressure. First shot missed completely low, 2nd hit forward in the chest, 3rd was perfectly through the heart and dropped her. (verified owner) November 1, 2022, 7X57R 120gr. Steve recommended the powder and I followed his advise of course and I'm not disappointed. These bullets are money well spent. Messages. And the weight fluctuated 1.25 grains at most on the 10 that I weighed. Bullet performance was great. Overall very happy with this bullet! Ding! It is a small bullet I ended up loading it shorter than my other reloads to get a decent crimp on it . I shot flatter and had less wind drift than the guys shooting 300 win mags, 6.5 creedmoors, and 270 WSMs (yes, we compared DOPE gathered under the exact same conditions at the exact same time). After that I was convinced. In 20+mph winds this bullet did amazing when I did my job. 30-06 at just over 2900fps. Extremely Impressed. Because they are pure copper they do not disintegrate like lead core bullets, so meat damage is still very light. I always load bullets I will be hunting with. Hammer Type 44-40 Winchester .430" Wad Punch Hammer Type 44-40 Winchester .430" Wad Punch Be the first to review this product $20.00 In stock Item Number 4440RIFLE Add to Cart Add to Wish List Add to Compare Skip to the end of the images gallery Skip to the beginning of the images gallery Details So just want to make sure I get this right. Vince Bloom Tried this bullet in my 7 STW and all I can say is wow. Will be ordering more. I have a new "Woods Load" We hunt from tree stands and most shots are 100 yards or less. 1,044. Sorry I dont have the FPS yet. And this was a 3 shot pattern at 100 yards. I have taken deer from 25 yards, to Elk at 700 shooting the 143s in a 28 Nosler and the results have been exceptional, as well as the customer service, dallas hardaway They are hitting right where they should out to 300 yards. @ingwe asked me if I would start a thread detailing how we do load development, so here goes. Fired two for velocity, 3 more for group size and done. I used that data to load the other 9 from my sample pack and achieved under 1/2 minute groups at 3300 fps. Gerald DILGARD .025 off lands. kopitzke A monolithic bullet. I first purchased a sample pack and loaded 3 groups of 5 and started at max oal and ended up at 2.900 with 60 grains of H4350. I've purchased 400.00 worth of these bullets just this month and I'm wondering if I've bought enough. The vapor trail is awesome. I loaded some of the 134's just to see how they would do. Took roughly 20 rounds to find a load for these bullets pushing 3300 fps. We have our go to loads. With a very compressed load of 3031, I can get 2500 fps, and 1 moa groups. With very little to go on I started out on the very bottom of the weight scale . (verified owner) November 19, 2021. Justin Marinkov I have a 243 Win. Thanks to Steve and everyone at Hammer! Most accurate non-lead bullet I have ever used by far! A winner, and FINALLY. Gerald DILGARD It held together. October 18, 2022. The Shock Hammers are our line of bullets that we designed for normal range hunting, where bc is inconsequential. As a resident of CA, were faced with having to shoot non tox bullets. William Belcher 200 gr Hornady Interlocks have abysmal BC, and 250 gr Speer Hot Cors just dont have the velocity I want, and I cant get anything else. Ordered up these for my .350 legend. They fall more in line with conventional loading data and are very forgiving. The bullet did what it needed to do entered in front of the left hip on a very steep quartering away shot, and obviusly made it to the vitals which resulted in only a 20 yard run for the ram. 199 hammer hunters out of my .300 win mag. One shot. (verified owner) June 12, 2022. Select the product youd like to review from the Products Page, and submit your review. This bullet is extremely accurate (like all my loads). They also had a wider wound channel when compared to Nosler AB. I had a minor issue with my shipment and Steve made it more than right without me asking for anything. They are absolutely devastating on game without meat loss. Cant wait to put one thru a elk this fall. Overview and welcome information about loading Hammer Bullets. Shooting a 6.5 PRC with H4831SC has been the best load yet! H1000 @ 88g or US869 @ 104g 3,190. Looking forward to seeing on game performance! I have shot one mature whitetail buck at 400 yds with this load through my Bergara 300 PRC so far. 300 PRC: 199 gr Hammer Hunter November 4, 2020. + Print; Pages: [1] 257 Wby with Hammer Bullets Shoots! Loaded some and BOOM, genuine half inch groups. Hammers are super easy to work up a load for usually about 10 rounds and your done, not to mention 1/4 moa accuracy I get with them. 29.2gr / 2727fps, stdDev 1.5fps, 1.25grp So far this year Alaska Dall Sheep 808 yards! The rifles both shoot 1/2 inch with current handloads with almost any 130 (or 140gr) in the 270 and the same in the 280AI for 140 and 150gr Sirrocos and slightly worse (3/4 in) with Nosler Accubonds. Hits very hard, taken 2 Pronghorn and one deer with the 67gr shock hammer. Justin Matthews 5-10 yards. Im betting that I could get to, or even surpass 30 grains of powder, but well see. It was about a 75-yard shot, the bullet entered just in front of the right shoulder, and exited just behind the left. The first doe was a neck shot at 185 and she took 2 steps and hit the ground. loaded for ladder looking for pressure and 15 rounds in, I found the mother of all sweet spots. Now running ladder in my 30-06, found a node at 3208 that is awesome in my 22 inch sako. Firearms and reloading equipment not taken care of can lead to catastrophic failure, danger, and death. Very easy load development. I think if youre just starting out reloading they are an excellent choice. I am lucky for that at these times. A great deer load for most hunters. It was a 1/4 moa group. Didn't adjust for the wind on the long shot and hit him in the butt. Only tried 2 loads, approx. Barbourcreek tests 155 Hammer Hunters in 20% gel Block at 600 yards in a 7 BC Warrior Barbourcreek Long Range Shooting School and Long Range Hunting 24K views 3 years ago Ep. Ive been doing a lot of reading and research to prepare myself. As to powder, this was a little more tricky due to REACH compliance in the UK, aggravated by the current shortages. Shooting several 5 shot groups under 1/2 MOA at 100 yards. Two downsides with higher BC copper. I would consider starting out with the hammer Hunters to build confidence. Minimal meat loss and almost no bloodshot. First hog that has been mounted in years due to its size and color. There was very little blood shot and meat spoilage from the shot. I'm sure they could be pushed a lot faster but why bother. Greg Huchko Will be using it Fall of 2022 for hogs, deer, and, coyotes. Companies may update components such as powders, internal case capacity, and primers. Could not be happier with the results. new, 2 or 3x fired, annealed, etc). Meat loss almost non existent. Loads for both use H4831 a grain off max, and have used 4350 with similar accuracy just a little lower velocity. Steve was great about calling me back to give me a starting point. IMR 4350 54.5=2328, 56.5=2379, and 58.5=2440. A follow up review for above combo. OK, folks. (verified owner) February 5, 2022. toby.spruce and higher velocities it raises the old 94 lever gun to another level. Then tried 43.5 and got bug hole groups from two different rifles, At 3300+ fps these thing will turn a deer's insides to Jello . Use one of the allowed file type: jpg,png. December 20, 2021. I've yet to load any and shoot them hopefully they are more consistent on shooting than they are on weight. They have worked great on game also. All but one dropped in their tracks. Bradley Lehman Allows you to get the best performance from your rifle, Your Rating Casmus Simmons 300 yards is less than .3 moa still. 3385 fps avg. It has identical baring surface so it will load nearly identical with little or no change from previous loading. (verified owner) July 6, 2021, Although I have not killed an animal with this bullet, the accuracy is unbelievable. (verified owner) November 14, 2022. Loaded these over 42 grains of Varget in a 7mm-08. Bull Elk, 600 yards,198 Hammer Hunter, went through left shoulder, took out lungs, exited right shoulder. Average This was the original line of bullets. Jereme Wesely At this point, I was feeling pretty good about this rifle/bullet combo and would've happily stopped here but I had those shells stuffed with 73gr and was itching to see how they'd shoot. I tested the 143's to 530 yards and they shot unbelievably well. Stu, Wesley Turner The hammers hitlike a ton of bricks I was very impressed! 143 Hammer Hunters out of my 7 SAUM (26",1:8 twist). That second deviation number is not a typo, it is 1.5 FPS! Steve and company really did the hard work and pointed me in the right direction though. 243 Win. I don't think its significant out to 500, but if you plan to push the outer edges of effective range (hammers are designed to perform down to 1800 fps) then it is certainly something to consider. They shot great and the node is absolutely perfect could not ask for OR recomend a better bullet and i have tried a pile of them. Bullet: 123 grain 0.264 Absolute Hammer Brass: Hornady Powder: H4895 Primer: CCI 250 I used load data from Sierra to start. Mar 25, 2021 #3 M. mtmuley Well-known member. First group under imr7828 (the powder I was hoping this rifle would like) printed at 0.60moa. That way I know where it is. I have tested the bullet to 1500yards and its hitting a 18x18 steel target. Shot a big Indiana 10 point buck and bullet worked perfect. I center punched the liver and my heart immediately sunk knowing that I had just wounded this deer. November 15, 2021. Ivan Bourgeois Recoil is on par with my 6.5 Creedmoor. I'm sure the deer won't like them at all. October 28, 2022, My daughter finally drew blood eith Hammers. Will keep loading these and also having a 28 Nosler custom made for lighter carry and will use the .284 bullets for that new rifle. Good BSHEETS Hand down best moose bullet I have used, Justin Matthews Loaded cases then received a full Lee factory crimp to prevent jump under recoil. It is absolute coyote destroyer. What more can you ask for from an all copper hunting bullet? mixitup210 Not 0.020". Brady Hylton Ding! 18.5barrel, suppressed with a Griffiin. The 243 win with the 70HH. Joined Jan 11, 2009 Shoot very well in my 25-284 at 3200fps and very lethal. I ended up taking two does and a nice 9 point white tail with them. Please Login or Register. I'm getting .3 groups with 38 grains of Varget. Use one of the allowed file type: jpg,png. I am a complete Hammer fan and will continue my hunting with Hammer Bullets. I get 3 shot groups much smaller than the palm of my hand at 600 yards. The great guys at Hammer said to try the 200gr ShockHammers. Accuracy is phenomenal! Cant wait to drop some bears with these bullets. The speed is def there and I have room to back off and still get better than traditional 30-06 borderline .300 win mag speeds out of a .308 Win the 151 absolute. The Hammers will show 50 to 100 fps higher vel, in most rifles, over the load data. These bullets all have 1.5mm hollow point and are typically 60%-70% weight retention. I split the difference between some closely weighted loading data for my starter load. I messed with the 152 hammers in another .300 over RL22 and was seeing some velocities over 3400 pretty easy. This is a place to discuss hunting, shooting, and other outdoor activities. Largest group shot with that load was 0.38" at 100yrds, typical groups run closer to 0.25" using federal match primers vs remington. 44 gr of 6.5 staBall several groups of .250 at 100 yards. For most Eastern US hunting these will work wonderfully. I plan to use it for my wife and daughter as a low recoil antelope hunting round. October 19, 2021. October 28, 2021, These bullets are the real deal. took this combo to Wyoming for a antelope hunt out of Sheridan area ,took one shot at a unknown distance with a little Kentucky windage at a antelope buck , bullet went thru the heart and out back side front leg buck layed down and died. Impact velocity ~2700fps. Copper Bullets ( Legend ) with SD of 7.5, and ES of 15. This 150g pure copper Power Hammer is replacing the 152g Hammer Hunter. Settled on 42.3 gr of RL-16. Just ordered some more for this next hunting season. I think as long as you are good at reading pressure signs your good to go. Very little recoil and plenty of juice for whitetails and hogs. Loaded these in 338-06 at 2750 using RL15. They need to be pushed pretty fast out of a fast twist barrel to stabilize but the western has no problem. Can hardly wait to put it to work . that shot was a miss as he dropped from the first shot as I shot again. Next is get her zeroed in and dope chart built. 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