If God offers gifts, are we supposed to disrespect the gift by refusing to seek after it?. Despite my reservations about Mikes teaching, I have far more about his accusers and their methods. Rush was the first LDS scholar to accurately decipher the prophetic writings of Ezra now known as Ezra's Eagle. MR . Ive dabbled in apologetics for years. Even though many people have heard Gods voice, received instruction from God or various angels, they are usually instructed either by scripture or by inspiration to not publish such revelations. This to me is in direct opposition to living to truly love your neighbor and embodying Christ-like love in all our interactions with one another. Yet I have to sit quiet. Michael B. First, Stroud got specific when describing a process to commune with heavenly beings. Are in a same-gender marriage. Why did she not TEST THE SPIRITS like we are taught to do in Doctrine and Covenants? When will they return? Click a location below to find Michael more easily. [I have seen no evidence that Mike Stroud has done this he has bent over backwards to indicate his public support of church leaders, both general and local.] Separation is another illusion brought about by the fall. Brother Strouds narrative is indeed lacking in much that might legitimize it. Repeatedly act in clear, open, and deliberate public opposition to the Church or its leaders. I really enjoyed the first piece you did on Stroud. . Many forums consider them to be problem members and some have removed them altogether. This is why I believe that actual contact with God and angels is considerably more common that perhaps many believe; because each such person keeps these things private and sacred. How can we discuss or share experiences if we are afraid that we will be labeled as extreme or potentially get excommunicated for seeking after what Joseph Smith taught we should all be seeking after and that is our second comforter experience. The covenant with death is with Satan. Sounds like you agreed with some things I saidand some not or at least the terminology. While the church doesn't regularly provide information about excommunication or resignation, those listed here have made such information public. And unrighteous dominion thrives. Again, if the idea is that moving in that direction will avoid schism or retain members, its not at all obvious to me that those changes would help. And as the author rightly conceded he never actually used the term astral projection. michael.b.rush. 3/3 He has built a legacy that will endure for many generations to come and will continue to inform our country. [This is the most likely reason I can see, which is why I noted that hed previously been corrected on inappropriate doctrines and highlighted questionable teachings in his newer podcasts.] The newly-confirmed couple was seen leaving the Caribbean island of St. Barts together after several days soaking up the sun. Please dont misunderstand, I am not saying that Mike Stroud is a prophet. Really enjoy reading your blog site! BofM is true and thats good enough for to move forward. These are our examples. Several people put together an open letter (a Google doc) citing new questionable teachings from his conference address onward. Its okay to work with these things as long as the Zion initiate acknowledges them for the illusion that that are. Michael B Rush Family Robin C Rush Lindsey M Rush Joe M Rush Patrick M Rush Patrick Rush Show all locations and family Age. Mike Stroud For example, President Nelson counseled in April, I urge you to stretch beyond your current spiritual ability to receive personal revelation, for the Lord has promised that if thou shalt [seek], thou shalt receive revelation upon revelation, knowledge upon knowledge, that thou mayest know the mysteries and peaceable thingsthat which bringeth joy, that which bringeth life eternal.12, Oh, there is so much more that your Father in Heaven wants you to know. As much as Mike Stroud was loved at that meeting and in the online community, there would be others who would hate him just as much. If they testify to the reality of the spiritual world and that the gifts of the spirit may be enjoyed in this life they get the modern equivalent of being burned at the Stake. Of course he should just as the Savior taught. And yet we seem to think that this whole activity in its entirety is somehow glorifying Him. This man is willfully ignorant and a deceiver. The Deseret Weekly. I have appreciated the respect given even when people here disagreed with each other. Yes, he said almost. A member in Cardston observed, She testified of how real and true the concept of modern revelation from the Lord to His prophet really is.. Post Im not saying my hearing is better or more correct. Persist in teaching as Church doctrine information that is not Church doctrine after they have been corrected by their bishop or a higher authority. I have a doubt I do anything out of love, I do things because I care. It started off as a lark but after getting a taste of the attention and the power it gave them, they developed an appetite for it. As Elder Neal A. Maxwell taught, To those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, it is clear that the Father and the Son are giving away the secrets of the universe!13. False prophets, false Christs and false teachers would arise and deceive manyif it were possible, even the very elect. The podcast that I finally had to do research on and finally just Googled his name was the one on Familiar Spirits. Ending priesthood ban, baby steps towards female equality, changing to youth interview questions, baby steps in changing of anti-gay rhetoric, making the garment easier, BYU Honor Code policy, recent temple changes, all the gospel topics essays, backing off slightly on the King Follett doctrine stuff, more GAs of color, more grace, etc. Sorry, Bellamy, you said you know Mike. I hope hes not going all Mike Stroud on us. Wish us luck. During his interview with DeFede,. I put it this way because too many people think that love is an action word, and for them perhaps it is. "661: Abby Huntsman and Carrie Sheffield and their Transitions Out of Mormonism". 4. So Im going to love. 5. False Doctrine right and left. Rush was the first LDS scholar to accurately decipher the prophetic writings of Ezra now known as Ezra's Eagle. Infact, what Bryson noted was that at the same time she was the most loved person in class she was also the most hated. Hierarchy is a perception of of the fallen state We perceive that it exists because of our natural eyes. The timing of the restoration of the nation. God forgive you for what youve done. Im with you 110%. Rush. But, early on it was clear he was sympathetic to and shared some of the same beliefs as Denver Snuffer, and he followed his own path; he chose his own way rather than humble himself and remain in the Lords church. 3. And yet the excommunications continue. And now the message of this type of excommunication is that, not only are the noble and great ones given the authority to lead (hopefully to SERVE), but they are the only ones who should reach out and take hold of the awesome promises that are expounded in the scriptures. I said, Who was it? She said, Why it was the Lord. I said, How do you know it was the Lord? She said, I just knew it was the Lord. And I said, Congratulations, youve had a Second Comforter experience. Michael Rush in Michigan 59 people named Michael Rush found in Detroit-Ann Arbor-Flint, Grand Rapids-Muskegon-Holland and 5 other cities. Summary: Michael Rush is 46 years old and was born on 07/29/1974. Im not sure I have desires with regard to what God may offer. Schism, at least in the sense that the United Methodists are now facing, seems like a very distant notion to me. Merlin Olsen, NFL star turned TV star [58] Mark Schultz (wrestler), Gold medal winning wrestler. This is the bottom slider area. Here we know essentially nothing about whatever Google.docs article/letter you refer to. This Podcast is based off the book - A Remnant Shall Return written by Michael Rush. But Stroud uses the Book of mormon itself to promote his new meanings and speculative and new definitions of basic gospel teachings. They will range over the earth, visit distant friends, and, for aught we know, the planets, and accomplish great feats; do that which will enhance our happiness, increase to us every enjoyment of life, and prepare us for celestial glory; but when we wake in the morning, it is all gone from us; we have forgotten it.. , and anything else that is cult-like or weird.. He said, "Undoubtedly angels often guard us from accidents and harm, from temptation and sin. I look forward to the day when were all living in peace and harmony, of one heart and one mind. Are you in a position to tell us what part of that definition was applied by whom in Mikes case? I have no desire to be in the 144,000. If he is going around teaching those things like they are doctrine, and not as personal insights, then I can see where the church would take issue. In the talk the author quoted by M. Russell Ballard Beware of False Prophets and False teachers not a single time did Elder Ballard ever say that we should be afraid of deception. Moroni 7:16; Mike Strouds work invites me do good and believe in Christ. Further episodes will be created solely for the benefit of his posterity, though other people may listen in if they want. This reminds me of the community of people who experience Near Death Experiences. Scootb28, I admire your own zeal for Zion and Im with you on that. I have found much goodness and that which is lovely and of good report and praiseworthy in this mans podcasts. There are a number of other attempts to emphasize certain doctrines that are more conservative than not. When his grandparents cut the pie open, it was filled with black Mormon crickets. It was inappropriate for me to teach that that the Church of Latter-day Saints is Aaronic in nature and preparatory to the Melchizedek priesthood institution referred to in scripture as the Church of the Firstborn. I have become a little too pragmatic. In that last days we are told that spiritual manifestations will increase. This website is designed to be a secure portal for interested parties to learn more about Michael's research, as well as providing more advantageous purchasing options for his books and audio books. But there are some things are easily disprovable which Ill I will now address. Maybe, Mike was a bit naive about this and in hindsight, it probably would have been better to not post the meeting on youtube. Thanks for the write up. LDSFreedomForum.com does not necessarily agree with all content posted by users of this forum. All of us have the same promise. DSC, I agree that the church has always dealt with apostasy from either side (its interesting to compare Malcom Jeppsens early 1990s bell curve of membership to the December 2015 Enemies Slide released by MormonLeaks things really havent changed all that much). Nature and the great outdoors remind us that difficult times pass. I was at the meeting where Mike told the guy to not be afraid of deceit. Kimberly, I hope Im never in the same ward as you. But if you take a higher altitude view, there are a number of changes that could be conservative by some definition. If you think that you are ready for what is coming - think again. But also, the younger often poopoo such things, even to the point of fear and denigration. The book the Lord said in the Doctrine and Covenants had some problems. I also have listened to all of Mikes podcasts multiple times and have learned a great deal from them. I have served on the HC in multiple stakes HC , Temple worker in multiple temples HP group leader and my real claim to fame SM twice totaling 6 years, released when I turn 70 and presently teach an Institute class. Hes very humble. 97. You devote a lot of time and are very thorough in your work. by ransomme August 20th, 2021, 3:50 pm, Post [Nope.] Brother Skys comments are not without a sound of legitimacy, however, perhaps a couple more points might add to the discussion. Thing is, hes right. They can appoint themselves to be teachers but no one else can. Alma 12 clearly teaches to seek after knowledge, and to him who does not harden his heart, will be given the mysteries of God. It is only by the Spirit that I know that The Church of Jesus Christ or Latter-Day Saints is a true church or that Joseph Smith was a true Prophet or that The Book of Mormon is true or that Jesus is the Christ and His Atonement is real. I am thankful for these choice lessons from an excellent teacher, and I mourn with Bro. He gives exact quotes and where they can be found down to the page number. They used fear all throughout this doc hoping to convince the reader that Mike Stroud is some kind of boogie man. Use left/right arrows to navigate the slideshow or swipe left/right if using a mobile device. Ill first quote Mike Strouds statement, then the authors reaction and then my own response. He was born and raised in the Western United States, among the rugged Wasatch mountains, and the rural California coastline. Michael B. Shunned by family and friends and their church clergy because of lack of understanding of the spirit world. I do spend 30-60-and more minutes every day in prayer. Michael B. Jordan Rented Out an Entire Aquarium for Valentine's Day Date with Lori Harvey! Michael served a mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Chile, Osorno - where he loved both the people and the breathtaking landscapes. When I was younger I often thought as I read stories in the scriptures that I would like to have similar experiences. Bellamy, one of the reasons that I said maybe not for the reason you think in the headline is because I dont think he was excommunicated merely for teaching about calling and election, second comforter, or seeing angels. So, where are the stories in the scriptures of those who serve quietly in anonymity. This principle is explained here: Alma 12:9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him. But the shift isnt just talking about revelation to church leaders. Both are tools to measure the truth of something. Didnt Nephi say something about applying the scriptures? If they dont want us talking about it, then why the hell are we singing about it? They were told that their willingness to give up their family to follow these deeper doctrines were just part of their Abrahamic test that would prepare them for their second comforter and becoming part of the 144,000. and MAKE NO MISTAKE this has nothing to do with President Nelsons push for us to receive Personal Revelation. As one who shall obtain. by Maroriginal1 August 23rd, 2021, 1:27 pm. Video art by Michael Rush ( Book ) 50 editions published between 2002 and 2007 in 3 languages and held by 1,713 WorldCat member libraries worldwide. 85, no.2 , The JV Club #29: nerdist.com/the-jv-club-29-cara-santa-maria/, Mahonri Young: His Life and Art; Thomas Toone, Signature Books, 1997, Learmouth, Michael (September 16, 1999). He inspired me to read the apocrypha of Esdras and I think the eagle prophecy is about the USA and is right on track. Dogma / Culture / Doctrine. Rockwell, thanks for the heads up. In Elder Oaks talk Be Not Deceived he also did not teach that we should fear deception. So instead of making real spiritual progress, they substitute it by comparing themselves to others or worse, by putting others down. About 20 minutes into it, he had an interesting take on D&C 45 and Isaiah 28 (the "covenant with death") prophecy. This journey led to a very odd place.the old apocrypha. A neighbor gave me his podcasts, and as I listened to them I increasingly felt uncomfortable with his teachings; especially the Visions of Glory type stories of others that he shared. The views and content on this site reflect only the opinions and teachings of the authors of the respective content contained herein. Why is she not seeking the confirmation of the Holy Ghost? I pray for them. I'm hoping he'll see this and come here and elaborate, since he disabled comments on the video. Handbook 1 Section 6.7.3 includes a special Mormon-speak definition of apostacy. Mikes telling us he was excommunicated for apostacy doesnt actually tell us why. Personal revelation does not give anyone the right to direct others or to convince them that they were ordained by translated beings to bring them to the Church of the First born. Judging a mans personal revelation to me is fruitless nonsense. Rush, author of: A Remnant Shall Return -Daniel 11 -REVELATION the Vision of John Divine I was so very sad to hear that Mike passed away. This is a list of well-known Mormon dissidents or other members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) who have either been excommunicated or have resigned from the church as well as of individuals no longer self-identifying as LDS and those inactive individuals who are on record as not believing and/or not participating in the church. Can I be so sure of my own revelations? Heroically. It was inappropriate to teach that people should seek to receive priesthood ordinations outside of the ordained channels found within the Church, and that priesthood healings and ordinances should be practiced using a prescribed format and that they can be performed over the phone. Brother Sky, I agree its a very fine line. I quite like Michael Rush. (Discovery Channel) 25 Feb 2021. The truth is they dont really know much about it themselves, aside from what theyve heard from other spooks and online sources. Dont be afraid. If youre going to make extraordinary truth claims and claims about revelations, visions, etc., youre going to look a bit foolish when you say something like, oh, well these people all had visions and those were real, but these people having visions are making false claims or deceived by Satan or whatever. If it were, it would be HIS love, not mine. I was sickened to hear Visions of Glory was banned from Desert Book. John 4:18 teaches that perfect love casteth out fear. As you kneel down in prayer before reading the book, ask the Lord to send these men and these women to you to teach, instruct, give greater understanding, and even visions and manifestations to you (Podcast 023: 1 Nephi 22, abt 4:14) Ive seen one critic use the word conjuring to describe what Brother Stroud recommended. Ezra Taft Benson - Civic Standards for the Faithful Saints - start at min mark 11:30. Log In. His original analysis has been studied by students of the scriptures in over 130 countries worldwide, and is included in his first book - A Remnant Shall Return first published in 2015.. Be notified when new blogs, videos or books are available. I found more truth and insight from mikes podcasts than I have from general conferences and sacrament meetings since the early 80s. So if Stroud was declared apostate for teaching questionable doctrine, those are the obvious trouble spots.[1]. I believe thats why the Lord wanted these podcasts to be done (Podcast 08: 1 Nephi 5-7, abt 41:23). Jesus responded: Take heed that no man deceive you. Mike did tell this man that if he wanted to learn the mysteries of God, he should not be afraid of deception. To me his message can be summed up in BRM additional verse to Come Listen to a Prophets Voice. Visions of Glory: One Man's Astonishing Account of the Last Days Nelsen, Transition Integrity Project - full document, Rich Higgins National Security Council Memo - Deep State, Article on the Pentagon and unidentified aerial phenomenon, Marco Rubio on off-world crafts in our top-secret air space. That means if you make a purchase from a link you click on, I might receive a small commission. At the same time I think you are very accurate in noticing some of the biggest flaws of those who apostatize on the right. He is also an adviser with the National Diversity Coalition for Trump. Michael passed away in December 2019. Authors reaction: Mike and Bryce explain why understanding the truth is so vitally important. This is the pattern of many who refuse to humble themselves when they ere. The Chaplain wrote a complaint in the base newsletter about people preferring to go to the mountains on the Sabbath, which included me. See more of Michael B. The BYU honor code itself was the result of a conservative change, so changes to restore some of the status quo ante are hardly progressive. But he never told him not to take heed of deception. I believe that when a person gets to a certain spiritual level, they can have direct communication with these beings by way of the Holy Ghost giving permission and instruction on how to do it. As an adult convert, I took everything I was told enthusiastically and believed every word. I know when Stroud got excommunicated, Julie Rowe suggested she would likely suffer the same fate (though I didnt get the impression it was imminent). And this is the hypocrisy of the author and all their associates. I can see the bind that the church is in here and I am actually somewhat sympathetic to its position, but of course, its a case where the church has done this to itself. I say this because in my long life Ive heard a few claim Pres. Unfortunately, some Church members have viewed groups they considered to be Lamanites with condescension or contempt, (Lamanite Identity, Church History Topic), Mary Ann has blogged at Wheat and Tares since 2015. He suggested spending at least one hour every day between 3 a.m. and 6 a.m. with the Lord. Mike Stroud set aside the counsel of God which was offered to him by the Lords servants called to minister to his children on earth. Astral projection is basically when someones spirit consciously leaves their body and then returns. And now it has come to this. Bro. This is youre basic McCarthyist style, witch accusing, intimidation tactic that is used to try and gain total control over perception and the situation. If God offers gifts, are we supposed to disrespect the gift by refusing to seek after it? The doc posted is not just showing why they think Mike is wrong but also trying showing the rest of us how the gospel is properly taught. Incidentally, no alternative under the definition of apostacy [a]s used here, i.e. We have Nephi the son of Helaman being told that whatsoever he asked would be granted because he had been true and faithful and would never ask for anything contrary to Gods will. Evan, I wasnt really disagreeing with what YOU said before, and I disagree even less now. I have been very excited to hear the encouragement by our Prophet Russell M Nielson to seek after a relationship with the Lord, to gain power in the priesthood, to hear President Eyering encourage us to be like Enoch to call down the powers of heaven, to stop armies. Its cool, Scoot. But without love you wont probably care, and if you care, it is because of love. Required fields are marked *. It didnt end until some wiser and higher up authorities put a stop to it. This Mike Stroud controversy is something that has somewhat divided me. Formally join another church and advocate its teachings. Ive listened to almost every podcast of Mike Stroud. And the whole time they dont realize the illusion that they are creating. Sandra Dawn Brimhall and Dawn Retta Brimhall. Vol. Theres nothing inherently evil about having direct communication with Christ or heavenly Mother. Utah Historical Quarterly. The doctrine of personal revelation has definitely gotten a boost lately. Those who are truly learned in the things of God have learned to recognize such and if they condemn someones claims, claiming itself being a huge red flag, they do so with an understanding and recognition of what is absent to validate the claims. I am much more impressed by the ignorant man who is filled with the love of God for the people around him, than the person who professes to know the secrets of Christ, and aspire to be worthy of the company of the former. scootd28 asks If were not supposed to strive for these things, then what are the stories for?. My response:. 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